VIKINGS Scoop: Clive Standen Interview
Even after last season’s brutal and physically challenging season, remarkably, Rollo (Clive Standen) was still fighting in the end. In Season 3, Rollo proves to be even more fearsome as he is determined to regain good standing with his brother Ragnar (Travis Fimmel) and reclaim some of his lost sanity and soul. It will be an internal struggle as well as external as Rollo pushes to show he is able to fight and, perhaps lead, again.
In a press interview, star Clive Standen talks about the upcoming battles and struggles that his character Rollo faces in Season 3 of VIKINGS.
Is Rollo still haunted by the past and not being able to move forward?
CLIVE: Well, there’s a lot more tattoos and things as he goes more down the rabbit hole of being a berserker, and you see more of that behavior coming out to the full front — but Rollo really is the old school Viking. He believes in the day of his death and the length of his life was fated by the gods, and the gods are in complete control of his destiny. So that enables him to live his life with utter confidence in his religion. So I suppose he doesn’t really can either change with the times so much as life would throw him down, and maybe Ragnar does. But also, I think Rollo is stuck in a rut. He’s gotten to the point where he starts second guessing everything, because he’s made so many mistakes in the previous seasons up until now that I think he starts to forget who he really is. He finds himself in conversations with Ragnar because of the past, and he’s trying to build bridges and get back in into Ragnar’s good graces. When confronted with a question from Ragnar, he’s almost thinking, “What am I meant to say? I don’t want to put my foot in it again.” So he’s found himself almost as a lost soul, and something happens in season three, maybe midseason, where it certainly makes him realize who he really is and the part of his destiny, and until he starts embracing himself rather than trying to people please, he’s not going to achieve greatness. So I think that’s midway through season three, maybe Rollo might surprise you and you’ll see a complete transformation, almost a phoenix in the flames.
The Lothbroks are in the royalty circle. How does that change Rollo’s perception of life and his relationship with the Ragnar inner circle?
CLIVE: I think Rollo is a bit of a lost soul at the moment, because he knows that — at the beginning of season two, we see that he tries in everything to be this king for a day where he thinks he’s got it all worked out and he’s going to get everything he ever wanted if he battled his brother in combat. He very quickly realizes that he’s fighting the one person that actually gets him as a person, the only other one person that’s always had his back; and he can’t follow through with it. So he spends most of season two trying to get back into Ragnar’s good graces and the relationship will really never be the same, but Rollo is trying. So as much as the battle is not truly with Ragnar anymore, he’s still not content to be in the shadow in Kattegat. He’s in this village; he’s almost having to pay for his past mistakes constantly; and the one thing about Rollo is every time he makes one of these mistakes, at least he’s tries to learn from it. But he’s gotten to the point where he’s just trying to say the right thing, and he doesn’t get where his destiny is going. He realizes that his ambition — his deep, burning ambition is at the bottom of his gut; it’s never going to go away. But I think he realizes also that Ragnar is not the obstacle to him succeeding in that ambition. It’s been misplaced. So now, he just needs to figure out if maybe Ragnar can actually help him achieve his desire for his destiny. But he’s definitely not content to stay in Kattegat in the royal circles, because this is not fulfilling him.
The relationship between Rollo and Siggy has been interesting. What do we see of that in the future?
CLIVE: Well, at the end of season two, Rollo finds out that she’s sleeping with King Horik and Earl that she’s doing it for him; and anyone who has ever been in love before, I think anyone can really know that would never really compute in someone’s head. The problem that lies in their relationship is that when they first met each other, when Earl Haraldson was killed, Rollo goes to see her when she’s packing with fear and she’s trying to run away, and he says, “Look, stay. How would you like to be married to another earl?” They almost enter into a marriage of convenience. They enter into this mutual marriage of gain, so to speak, where she’s had everything and lost it, and wants it back; and he’s always wanted it and never had it. So he needs her to show him how to achieve their goals. She needs him as her pawn in her plan to — going to get everything back, to stay within those royal circles. So it’s already kind of a relationship which is being set up on all of the wrong foundations. The problem Rollo has, or the mistake that Rollo made is that he actually started falling for her, and that was never part of her agreement. So now, he’s a little bit lost in that relationship. He has feelings for her, but yet he also is not sure if he wants to strangle her because of what she’s doing to him, the manipulation that is playing out. I mean that scene in season two when he finds out what she’s doing and he does put his hand around her throat, it’s not – he’s more emotionally charged because he’s been spending the whole time trying to build bridges with Ragnar, and now she’s going behind Ragnar’s back, sleeping with the king, trying to get something he never even bought into, she never even consulted him on. So she has her own motivations and it just gets really messy as far as Rollo is concerned, because he can’t walk away from it, obviously, because he’s now had feelings for her. So Siggy’s actions in series three can really mess with Rollo’s head.
What kind of action can we expect from Ragnar as the invade Paris?
CLIVE: Well, as soon as Paris comes in, Paris isn’t just a one-off episode. Paris in series three really kicks off around the tail end of episode six; and it kind of builds and builds and builds until a climactic episode at the end of the season. Paris isn’t like anything the have ever encountered, and it’s unlike anything that the general public and the 21st century view would see Paris as now, because Paris was entirely different back then. It was a fortress. It was completely enclosed on the River Seine with very high Roman walls. So when the Vikings, with their 100 ships and thousands of men, they’d never had to deal with a force like the Franks. The Frankish soldiers have got ethnic influences from all down through Europe down to the shipping routes of the Constantinople. There’s crossbow weapons, lots of their siege weapons and anti-siege weapons that the Vikings had never had to deal with, the Vikings are at the forefront of their technology with their boats, and I like to just think of the Viking soldiers compared to the Saxons, almost more like the modern Navy SEALs, like they’ve been trained, they’ve been brought up with their axes and their weapons, because they’re farmers and they used them on a daily basis. So they’re ferocious and formidable when they’re in battle, whereas the Frankish have got machine. They’ve got soldiers that are trained in a certain way that the Vikings are not used to. So these battles are ginormous in scale and scope. We’ve got 4x as many stuntmen as we had when we first started doing the show. Now, I would go so far as to say at episode eight, which is a very action-based episode, the battle that you’ll see on episode eight is probably one of the best battles, one of the biggest battles I’ve ever seen in a TV show; and I’ll go so far as to say it’s probably even grander than GAME OF THRONES’ battles, Blackwater, which had double the budget that we had. The thing is when you do something like the Battle of Blackwater, you’re filming it at nighttime and loaded with CGI through smoke and mirrors, because you can’t actually see very much. It’s easy to have CGI boats coming out of the mist and things. We film our battle in the middle of the day and we have hundreds of stuntmen jumping out of the River Seine and trying to climb the walls of Paris, the City of Paris; and it was just carnage when we filmed those days. There were so many people. It was organized chaos. There’s hardly anywhere to move and everyone was getting smacked in the face with weapons and things, but it’s going to look really savage and visceral and, hopefully, can be the big payoff that season three deserves, because season three, in general, the scope of it is massive. The show’s become a juggernaut, so we needed a massive climactic episode as the end of the season comes; and I think that Michael Hirst and the stunt team and everyone involved has really achieved that, and we go back to try and do it. But Ragnar’s actions, he has to think outside of the box, which he’s actually very good at doing, I think, as a character. He always thinks outside of the box. He always kind of does the thing you don’t expect him to do, and second guesses the enemy, but he has to do a lot of that now, because I think he isn’t underestimating the Frankish forces. And Rollo, for the first time, gets a whole army of berserkers, which is something, as an actor, Rollo has been wanting for a long time. So it’s just not Rollo running into battle with his beliefs. He’s got a whole band of berserkers, life-sized, and gets to be the general.
You mentioned that Rollo gets to be one of the generals in Paris. How was that for you to play?
CLIVE: Well, I mean, this is what the one thing that Rollo is good at. I mean he says, in his own words, “I was born to raid and fight.” He likes being at the forefront; he likes these. He’d be the opposite to the general that sits at the battle on his horse watching and waving the tree. He wants to be there leading by example in the thick of the action with his men; and Ragnar knows that. We go back to season two when Rollo makes those monumental mistakes and had to comeback to his brother with his tail between his legs. The first thing Ragnar does is ban him from raiding in England, and leaves him behind with the old men and the women and the children; that’s the best punishment for a character like Rollo, because it’s the one thing that makes him feel alive, and he doesn’t get to do it. So in Paris, it’s almost like all of his dreams come true. This is his one chance to get a Valhalla. He can wade in there; lead by example. He can be the savage animal, beast that he is in the battlefield, and prove to Odin that he’s not just sitting at his table and feasting in Valhalla. So when you go to character, you kind of achieve the things that you think he wants in life with the success in having a name for yourself, at least no one can take that away from him. No one can stop him from having his day in court on the battlefield and proving to the gods that he is worthy; so he embraces that. Also with Rollo, I mean with the battles, I always think it’s some kind of form of self-harm, that he has so much inside his head that he’s battling with, so much emotional pain, so many mistakes, so many past failures, always feeling second best, always chosen below others; this is that thing he’s been running away from for so many years that the pain on the battlefield is almost a displacement; it’s to divert his mind from having to deal with the emotional pain. So, just as someone self-harms and they might cut themselves to avoid the pain that they’re feeling inside their head, Rollo is no different, and this way of living as a Viking on the battlefield gives him the perfect way to run away from his feelings, because this red mist he can feel his pain. You’ll see a scene in season three which involves Alexander Ludwig’s character, Bjorn, and Rollo, and it was a big monumental scene for me, for my character, because it really does come to the forefront that this self-harm of his that I described, it really comes to the forefront of the story and he’s going to almost go through some sort of physical therapy with his nephew.
In the upcoming episode, Bjorn has kind of a big fight with his father, and Rollo actually said something very poignant to him in that moment. How do you view your character’s relationship with Bjorn? Do you think that he understands him better than his father?
CLIVE: I mean you’ve seen it right from day one in season one when you see the relationship with Rollo and Bjorn. He is fond of his nephew and you can see that scene when Rollo arrives on the rolling boat, and he says, “Where is your mother and your father?” and the young Bjorn says, “They’re having sex.” They sit down and they just sit there and watched the sunset together. So there’s a definite bond between the two; there always has been, and as much as Rollo has resented Ragnar and resented everything he’s got in the family, I don’t think he can’t love Bjorn; and maybe there’s more of a reason for that in the past, but definitely, as the seasons go on, Ragnar gets almost caught up in his own ego and he gets handed all these things, the earldom, then he’s suddenly the king of Sweden, and he hasn’t really got time to be the father that this young son needs because he’s been away for four years with his mother, and he had not had a father in his life. And Ragnar really doesn’t step up to the plate. He just simply hasn’t got the time. He’s having to deal with this newfound power and what comes with that. But Rollo — he’s the lost soul; he latches onto Bjorn, I think, and certainly he sees that they’ve got this common need for each other. One needs a father-figure, and one almost needs somebody in his family life to nurture and to learn from. I think that’s the thing, it very much is Rollo is almost like a father figure to Bjorn. I think Bjorn has so much to teach Rollo that Rollo probably is completely unaware of what might rub off on him.
Will the seer will have any predictions for Rollo this season?
CLIVE: When we sat down at the beginning of season three, myself and Michael Hirst, and Michael came out to me and said, “Did you know what I realized in the break between season two and coming back to write season three? It is Rollo’s never been to see the seer.” I said, “Yeah, you’re right.” I love John Kavanagh; he plays the seer, and I’ve always wanted to have just a moment to latch with him; and I said, “Yeah, I know. It’s that a long time ago. I just thought there was a reason to it.” “No, it just slipped my mind, and now I’ve written a scene for you and…” So it will come into season three. There will be a scene between the seer and Rollo, and for the first time, this man that trusts innately in what the gods have in store for him; it’s very interesting for him to get to a place where he is questioning everything and feels like he’s completely lost sight of who he really is. I could go as far as to say he’s almost close to taking his own life; and the seer changes all of that in only the way that a seer can, in his riddles and his mysticism and his cackling lore. He kind of puts Rollo in his place and I think it’s a really important scene for my character and sets him on a completely different course for the future. It’s one of my favorite scenes. I’ve always wanted to do a scene with John Kavanagh. He’s an incredible actor and he didn’t let me down.
During the scene where the Vikings were fighting the Mercians, there is a moment that Athel will turn to Rollo. For a solid two seconds, everything is really fine and these men basically have a stand off. Can you tell me if there was something significant behind that scene? Was it for sharing something bigger between these two, like a shootout between the Christians and the Vikings?
CLIVE: I think it’s more of a realization that I think is in the middle of war on the battlefield, your frenzied rage and for the first time, he’s so used to having to cut down these Saxons, and then he’s confronted with a Saxon who’s on the same team. So it’s that moment of just losing –- everything seems to come to a standstill for a couple of seconds, where you’re suddenly fearing someone that only months ago is your worst enemy, and now somehow you’ll fight together. It’s more of a symbolic moment to the battle, but if you remember, he’s also the prince that runs me down with his horse and his cavalry. So there’s a realization as well as a vendetta between the two. But you’ll see, I think maybe you might see a bit more mutual respect from the two of them, because both of them are living in the shadow of their family members.
When Rollo kind of loses his mind a little bit and chops a guy’s leg off, could you give some insight on what was going on in his head at that moment?
CLIVE: Well, this is part of being a berserker. The berserkers were known to take magic mushrooms to feel this sense of high where they would almost have an out-of-body experience and they wouldn’t feel pain on the battlefield. They would almost have this red mist on them. It’s part of him preparing him — kind of they’re eating these magic mushrooms, and he’s almost tripping. He’s on an almost the equivalent of an LSD trip. This man is one of their captive soldiers who’s, in Rollo’s head, just sleeping with his leg on a really strange angle; and it’s just really annoying him. He can’t stop thinking about this leg that’s in the field of his vision. So Rollo being Rollo and, , the berserker that he is, just tries to just get that leg out of his world by cutting it off. But he’s completely tripping on magic mushrooms, and you’ll start to see more of that, the berserker, which is there’s a bearskin berserk which is almost having the mentality of the wolf or the bear, and that kind of almost becomes more of his mantra or so. As the battles go on, he’s going to go up with his own team of berserkers– so it won’t be just Rollo this season that’s the berserker; you’ll see a lot more of them.
The fan base for the series just grow enormously. What do you feel it is about the show that continues to resonate well with viewers?
CLIVE: It’s one of those things where you have no idea when you’re filming it, how big or successful a show is going to be; and you can have a great time as an actor. It could be like boys and toys, and it could be just fire all the way, and then the show bombs. So we had no idea, because this has been such a great show to work on, and the cast all get on really well. We’re such a bunch of eclectic nut-cases that we somehow really gelled so well. We’ve had a blast making every single episode, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the show is going to be great, and now that it is doing well, it’s just such a great feeling for me because I’m actually in a show I’m going to be around. When I have to read the script where Rollo is no longer in it, or me and my death scene, or whatever it is, whenever my time at VIKINGS comes to an end, it’s going to be really tragic for me, because I’m having such a good time, and everyone as well. I think what makes it original is that there’s nothing like this on TV. The only shows that people can compare it to are fantasy shows, because they have the dragons and they have the monsters and the dwarves and the elves and things. We don’t have any of that, but because of the Viking belief system, and the gods they believed in, it verges on the fantastical. You have these amazing worlds. You have Asgard and Midgard and Utgard, and the Vikings believed that the Frost Giants were in Utgard, and the dwarves, and the gods came down the Bifrost, which is the rainbow. You’ve got serpents like Jormungandr wrap himself around the world and bite onto his tail; and Fenrir, the wolf that swallows the sun; and Hati and Skoll, the two wolves that chased at the moon and the sun that were apparently in a chariot, running away from these wolves they were chasing night and day. These are all of the things that the Vikings believed in,Yggdrasil held the three worlds together; and at the top of Yggdrasil, there was an eagle that every time it flaps its wings, it was the breeze in the air. These are things that these people believed in. So we get to tie it all out and the screen. We had these Viking characters the way they believed this is all true, and the gods themselves. So it does verge on something otherworldly; and because the Vikings did all the things they did over the hundreds of years they did it, the conquests, the action, the raiding, the adventure, the technology of the boats, it suddenly brought in a completely different demographic they are used to watching historical dramas on TV. Before VIKINGS came along, historical dramas were in that bracket of Sunday night television where your mom and dad would sit down and watch a bit of “Pride and Prejudice,” or watch Keira Knightley in a corset. Now, you can sit down with your parents, be sitting and watching these historical raiders kind of colonizing and raiding half of Europe; and I think it just makes so incredible TV. The reason why I speak so passionately about it is I would watch it even if I wasn’t in it. When this script came along, you just take one read at it and just go, “This is immense. This is everything I’ve ever wanted in a TV show.”